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Nigel McGuinness on Facing Bryan Danielson Again, Magic & AEW's Mariah May

Nigel McGuinness on Facing Bryan Danielson Again, Magic & AEW's Mariah May

In this exclusive interview, Nigel McGuinness opens up about his highly anticipated rematch with Bryan Danielson, his journey to getting ring-ready, and what fans can expect in this once-in-a-lifetime match. Nigel also shares insights on his passion...

In this exclusive interview, Nigel McGuinness opens up about his highly anticipated rematch with Bryan Danielson, his journey to getting ring-ready, and what fans can expect in this once-in-a-lifetime match. Nigel also shares insights on his passion for magic, thoughts on AEW Women’s World Champion Mariah May. Don't miss this in-depth conversation about one of the most awaited matchups in pro wrestling!

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Welcome to the Battleground Podcast.

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You'll play for all things for.

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Resting and exclusive interviews with some of your favorite wrestlers.

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Round podcast stop.

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What's up you guys? Welcome back into iHeartRadio's official wrestling podcast,

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the Battleground Podcast. And man, tomorrow night is going to

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be one hell of a night. You've got a ew

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Dynamite Grand Slam up there in New York. And here's

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the deal. We have seen this for weeks and our

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guest today Nigel Again, lets let's go ahead and introduce

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Nigel sir.

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How are you very well? Thank you very much? Just

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enjoying this California sun?

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Oh that must be nice. We've got some pretty gnarly

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sun here, but it's not the California temperature. We got

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miserable ninety two degrees.

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Here, so muggy Tennessee.

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Yeah, I hope you're enjoying it. But we kind of

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talked about this for briefly before we started recording it.

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You've cut some great promos here recently. This past Wednesday

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you called out Brian Danielson of course no show. You said, hey,

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if you really want to put the test to test,

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who is the real goat? Meet me here Wednesday night, Dynamite.

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So let me just go ahead and ask the obvious question.

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Get it out of the way. When did you know

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another match between you and Danielson was one hundred percent

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of possibility and not just fantasy booking by fans.

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Yeah, it was a gradual thing, certainly. The story goes,

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I was on Tony Kahn's plane flying from Los Angeles

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to the East Coast.

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I forget exactly where.

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It was, and on the flight he told me about

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Wembley Stadium.

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They were going to do that, and I don't know why.

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I sort of said to him, sort of tongue in cheet, well,

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you know, if we sell out, I might have to

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dust off the old boots.

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And that sparked something in him, you know, and he

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asked me, did you do that generally?

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And I explained you, I mean, you know, the only

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thing stopping me wrestling is me really to be honest

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with you. And so that was a possibility then, But

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it didn't work out for that year because Brian broke

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his arm in that match with Okada. Although, as I've

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said before, two hundred and six bones in the human body,

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two hundred and five were perfectly okay, yet somehow that

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was an excuse not to wrestle me. So fast forward

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another year, another opportunity, and you know, with Brian winning

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the O in Half Foundation Tournament, he had that title opportunity,

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and so the only option left open to me was

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to take part in that Casino Gautlit match to try

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and earn an opportunity if Brian was to win that night.

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And as you saw, I shot my shot, took my opportunity,

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and it didn't pay off, you know, but it couldn't

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have couldn't have been won by a better man? Was

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that that line, Buddy Rogers line to a better man?

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It couldn't have happened. Yeah, sure.

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I was actually went to the Memphis Wrestling Hall of

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Fame this weekend and kind of filling nostalgic. Were what

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were some of the you know, outside of your bubble

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wrestling that you gravitated to. Were you a big Japanese fans?

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Did you get into any of the Memphis wrestling from

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back in the day.

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As a fan or once I was in the job

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as a fan? Sorry, yeah, as a fan.

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I mean that was you know, trapped back to the

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to the nineties, and there wasn't a lot of access

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back then, and tape trading wasn't really a thing in

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England in the nineties, at least not that I was

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aware of. So it wasn't until I was in the

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job that I even realized the majority of professional wrestling

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outside of what was w w F at the time

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even really existed, you know, And I think that's always

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been a battle for anyone who's tried to compete against them. Obviously,

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I got pro wrestling illustrated, so I was aware of

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the other things, but you you just saw the pictures.

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You never actually saw any of the videos or anything

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like that. So it wasn't until I got in the

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job that I really started diversifying.

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My interest and my fandom, if you will.

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So I guess it was probably ww and then World

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Sports was that the kind of the.

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World of Sport was on TV until at eight, I believe,

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give or take. And so that was the first professional

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wrestling I ever saw. And if you've ever seen any

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of that, very different style than what was w w

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f's producer at the time. And it was funny actually

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because they would towards the end of their run they

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would split one week. Would the World of Sport and

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one would be a tape that WWF would send in

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and the difference was dramatic, you know, so that was

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really Yeah, what really got me into it first of

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all was seeing guys like fit for me. But then

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when it disappeared from TV to all intents and purposes,

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didn't really know that it's still existed at all until

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I got Sky TV and then started to be received

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the WWF product and got into.

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It then, you know, Yeah, how was the museum though?

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Was it pretty cool? What was the cool stuff there?

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It was good.

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So they don't have a proper museum. They've just had

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some ceremonies. But like Rock and Roll Express went in

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this year.

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My cousin, My.

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Cousin is night Danny Davis.

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He went in.

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He's kind of more known now for his training. He

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trained Cody and Brock and John c and all those,

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a bunch of yeah, downtown Bruno you know wherever he

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was in w W. I can't remember his name there,

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but yeah, there's a bunch of legends there, a bunch

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of Dave Brown announce that's him, Whippleman, yes, so, and

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the Rock just bought him a truck.

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I just found out. That's crazy. That was wild. It

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was good. Yeah.

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So anyways, back to your match. What has been the

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biggest challenge or challenges of getting ring ready again?

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Oh, there's been There's been a few.

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It's kind of interesting because pro wrestling exists in this

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strange sort of misty limbo between sports and entertainment.

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And I better not use that phrase, you know.

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The truth of the matter is you have to be

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esthetically pleasing as well as athletically you know, good as well.

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And that being the case, it's a different form of

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because people often see, you know, Wrestless show up on

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TV and what the easy job you just you work

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for half an hour a week. But that's the fun

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part of it. What you don't see is having to

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go in the gym, having to eat right, having to

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work with injuries, et cetera, et cetera, travel one hundred percent,

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you know. So the biggest part of it for me,

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I think, is the diet of it. I've been on

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the Vigie diet, which is a good friend of mine

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I've known a long time in the job, Dan Viggerty.

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He's got me on a great diet that you know,

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we can bulk up and then lean out for the

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actual show. So I've been doing that takes a lot

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of time, and then in the gym three days a week,

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and then swimming and then stretching, and then yoga and

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then actually in a ring a couple of times a

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week as well.

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Give or take whatever's available, give and travel. So it's

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been hectic.

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It has been hectic, and part of me coming back

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to wrestling was like, this is a full time commitment

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outside of even doing the commentary, you know, but it's

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worth it because ever since I started with lefs Stature

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in HWA, it was instilled in me to treat this

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job as a professional. You know, you've got to have

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respect for it, respect for the way you look, respect

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for the way that you act, and respect for what

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you do in the ring as well.

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So I've always tried to uphold that.

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Yeah, absolutely, and of course we're going to have a

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fun night tomorrow night aw Dynamite Grand Slam. Now, the

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talk has been this whole dream match of you and

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Brian Danielson, when when people thought about this, for many people,

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they thought that this match we would never see again.

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We thought that it was done back in the day

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with the r h s and whatnot.

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What are you looking.

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Forward to the most in this match, other than the

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obvious of kicking Brian Danielson's ass.

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Yeah, right, yeah, you know, I just think the the

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experience of being in front of those people. Again, it's

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something that I arguably took for granted when I was

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a wrestler.

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I suppose toll Amarristla to that extent.

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But you know, when I walked out at Wembley Stadium

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and got that reaction, it was just just incredible and

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you know, so heartwarming to be remembered that way and

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respected that way. So you know, I know it's not

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going to be the same reaction, and I'm going to

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be plenty of people in New York that don't like me.

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But I've always said when people ask me about getting

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in the job, you know, what do you need? You

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just need people to care about you, you know. And

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it was always the case with me. People I have

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loved me or hated me, but as long as they

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had an opinion, that was all that mad. And I

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think there's going to be a lot of that. Hopefully

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as me, A lot of those people who followed our

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careers since Ring of Honor are going to come out

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and really want to see who can prove that today

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they are the better wrestler.

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And that's all I'm trying to do.

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I'm just trying to show that all the success that

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he's had should have, could have and would have been

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mine in a different universe, you know, right.

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And it's also just really cool that this is also

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happening under the Ring of Honor Banner two in present day.

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That's just very cool from the history standpoint. So sliding

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over a little bit, when did the magic bug hit you?

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And what do you consider the parallels between what you

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do in the magic world and in the pro wrestling world.

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A lot of parallels.

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Actually, when I came out here to Los Angeles, Good

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Lord a decade or so ago, I start going to

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the Magic Castle, and one of the pre eminent mentor

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lists in the magic world as a guy by the

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name of Max Maven, who unfortunately has passed away now,

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but he was always a big wrestling fan as well,

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read up on the job, and whenever we started hanging out,

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we always would talk about those similarities. The big covers

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are small is one thing, and the sense of how

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seeing it live is a very different experience than seeing it,

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you know, through your TV or your computer, as the

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case may be. Now. So a lot of those similarities

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are there, certainly, But the buve for me, I suppose

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it would have started mid two thousands.

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I was going out to Japan a lot, and the.

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Sponsors would take us out afterwards, and I didn't speak

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a lot of Japanese, and so we were there sometimes

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for three hours. Sometimes the food wasn't really what I

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wanted to eat, so I would use a deck of

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cards to pass the food that I didn't want to

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eat onto the next person, and to try to entertain

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our hosts and our sponsors who would have paid good

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money to take care of us for the evening. So

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he started like that and then became more of a

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backstage thing around the boys, just taking out a deck

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of cards, doing a few different things like that, and

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then good lord, it would be Yeah, it would have

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been January of twenty twenty three where I've finally made

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the decision to actually do a show. I've been let

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go from WWE, and we'd had the unfortunate pass in

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a Jay Brisco, which was a huge inspiration for me

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actually doing the show, because people that ask for the

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longest time when you do a show. When you do

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a show, and it's so different to do an actual

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magic show versus just doing a few little things here

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and there. And so I just, you know, Jay's passing

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reminded me that you're not guarantee tomorrow and if this

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is something you want to do, now is the perfect

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time to do it. So I took three weeks and

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sat down and wrote out what I wanted to do.

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It's not just a magic show, it's a spoken word

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show as well, try and meld those two things together,

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and started doing it sort of March April of that year.

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We've done about ten to fifteen shows now. They've I've

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done everywhere from England. We've done London, Manchester, Philadelphia.

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We've got two shows.

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Back to back, same night coming up the night before

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Wrestled Dream. So the first one sold out in a day.

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So it's been fantastic and a real fantastic experience and

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I've consider myself very blessed to have been at that opportunity.

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Yeah, absolutely, and that's that's awesome because like I remember,

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this was when aw was in Memphis.

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I think you had a show in Memphis.

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was like, we can go to wrestling, but we're getting

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the shows.

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If we're known.

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Yeah, if we'd known you were doing that, we would

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have definitely made the road trip.

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But I didn't know.

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I do want to ask this because I we all

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scrolled through social media and uh, there's a guy on

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social media or girl with the drain maker accounts on Twitter.

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I'm still calling you Twitter, I won't call it X

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And they said things that have happened since Mariah May

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kissed Nigel mcginnison Wimbley Stadium, and let's go over this thing.

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Nigel came out of retirement the same night. Nigel will

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eventually wrestle Brian Danielson and the Third Point Oasis Reunited

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and Fucking in the Bushes will play at Arthur Ash.

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Who ken be incredible. We should send her over to

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Palestine in Israel.

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Maybe she could you know, create world peace right possibly,

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So we kind.

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Of know your thoughts as we watch AW. When she's

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on TV and you're a commentary, what are your thoughts

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on AW Women's World Champion Mariah.

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May fantastic speaks for herself, doesn't it. She's everything you know,

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She's the glamor. She's got the look, but she can

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back it up once the bell rings as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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one hundred percent. She's the epistome of what is needed

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in a world champion, certainly, and you know she speaks well,

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she does the job. She's fantastic. I couldn't be any

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more proud of a fellow country woman. The right term,

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I'm not sure I should do.

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Yeah a way.

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So on the other side of the aisle is Danielson's

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theme Final countdown. A lot of people are expecting that

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to be played tomorrow night. If you could, if you

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could sabotage his match, his entrance music before the match

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tomorrow night, what would you do to kind of throw

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him off his game?

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Yeah? Maybe love and marriage. That would be a good

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one if.

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He yeah, hinting at that retirement.

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There's one you know, when you go on Instagram and

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you post a video, you can add music to it, right,

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there was one I just typed in Coward and it

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brought one up, which is just perfect. But whatever it is,

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that's if I could choose, that's that's the song I'd

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have him played on his way out. But you know,

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he is legitimately banged up and say what you want

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about him. He just you know, his pride is bigger

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than his brain, which you know is not saying I lot,

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but bitter.

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As it may. You know, you've got to think he's

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going to show up.

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I would certainly hope he's going to show up on

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what condition he's going to be in his next being

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banged up for the longest time. Yeah, and all you

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know all storyline asiet. He's been a big inspiration to me.

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When I started in ae W he came up to

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me and he said, you know, Nigel, it's great to

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have you here, but I hope you don't wrestle because

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I'm petrified I've ever facing you again. And I said,

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don't worry, Brian, if that was to ever happen, I'm

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sure you're just faking injury and get out of it somehow.

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So and fast forward here we are. Well, it's going

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to be a fun night for sure, tomorrow night, aw

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Dynamke Grand Slam. You could watch it starting at seven Central.

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And before we let you go, I have been holding

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onto this for the end of the interview because this

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is a funny story. My seven year old has gotten

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really big into collecting wrestling figures, and so somehow he

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figured out how to buy stuff with my phone online. Well,

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he ordered a John Cena Action figure. I open the

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action figure up and it's this action figure and not

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the John Cena Action figure. Nice, and so I think

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I was a little bit more excited to get this

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action figure than he was not getting his John Cena

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Action figure. Oh, I'm hoping that maybe tomorrow night we

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get the blonde frosted tips.

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Back, And as you can see, it looks highly unlikely

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at this junction. No, his hair is far too far,

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too precious to me at this point in my life

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to risk blonde in the tips like that.

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But how disappointed must your kid have been?

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He was like, I don't know who this is, and

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I was like, I do. It's mine now, I don't

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care that you just spent thirty dollars on an action figure.

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He will know my collection, he will know who it is.

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He's going to know exactly who it is, and he

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will be able to see me. I can promise you there.

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Well, Nigel, I would like to end it right there,

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but before we let you go, we always got to

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send everybody off. Is there anything you want to say

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to people watching or listening to this right now.

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Other than just you know, tune in because I can

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promise you this is going to be a monumental match,

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a monumental night for me. It's it's destiny that's come

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about now after sixteen years to your earlier point.

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Never would have dreamt this would happen.

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And if Brian's got the balls to show up, then

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I guarantee you it's going to be a match for

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the ages. It's you don't often get an opportunity like

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this in sports, you know, because of the nature of sports.

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But to me, this would be perhaps like a Michael

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Jordan against a Kobe Bryant.

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You know, the ability to see where they are now, and.

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That's what you're going to get. You know, Brian's backs

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against the wall. That's often times where he's at his best.

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But I promise you I'm going to do absolutely everything

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to just prove my point. Titles not on the line,

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so you know, whether we lose or draw. He's leaving

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after ash with the belt and he's heading to wrestle

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dream to defend it.

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But I can beat him, and I

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Can prove that I was every bit the wrestler that

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he is what he was, and that's going to be

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in the back of his mind for the rest of

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his life and he deserves it.